2015: We’re floating a big party – Kanti Bello

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•Says,
Jonathan’ll leave in 2015  

•Slams judiciary as
corrupt
Senator
Kanti Bello is a chieftain of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) but he does
not see anything good about the party. In fact, his dream is to work hard in
unison with other Nigerians to kick out the party in 2015. In this interview,
the outspoken Katsina-born politician also slammed the boss of the Central Bank
of Nigeria, Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, over the planned introduction of the N5,000
note. He equally spoke his mind on a wide range of issues, including the
insecurity in the country and President Goodluck Jonathan’s style. Excerpts:

Where do
you align in the controversy over the planned introduction of N,5000 note by
the Central Bank of Nigeria?
I stand with the Nigerian masses.
The views of the masses are clear: N5,000 note should not be introduced. I
think CBN is economical with the truth on this issue. I said this because the
question that is being asked is, why do you want to introduce N5000 note?
Why are
you dodging the debate that it will worsen inflation?
CBN is talking about cashless
economy, which to me should not be because, from where I come from – that is my
locality – there is no bank there. If you are saying that cashless system
should be operated, how do these people, who are more than 300,000, live? 
So, the same CBN that is talking about a cashless society is now singing a song
of N5,000 note.
How do
you place these two extremes?
Still on the matter, there is a
controversy of using over N40 billion to print the notes. There is the
speculation that the purpose of printing the Naira notes is because somebody
wants to get the contract. Whether that is true or not has not been explained.
Again to say it is going to be cheap because you will redesign all the currency
notes, is nonsense. Look at the amount of money that would be expended on the
whole thing. There is also the moral angle. You cannot tell me that Tafawa
Balewa and Gen Murtala Mohammed, who are in lower currency notes which will now
be converted to coins, will make anybody, who know what these personalities
stand for, happy. They deserved to be dignified. You will consign these men to
oblivion, then you bring some women who were activists and put them on the
N5000 note. Because he wants to give impression that he is gender-sensitive, he
is putting the women on the highest currency note. These national leaders are
being reduced by nobody else but Sanusi Lamido. Again, there is the
constitutional issue here. The man has given the impression that the Senate and
the entire National Assembly do not matter in this project. The ministers and
the Economic Team came out the other day to say go ahead the President has the
final say. But that should not be. What they have done is a denigration of the
Senate. If I were in the Senate, I would look at the whole thing, if it is true
that the law says that when it comes to the issue of currency only the
President should take a decision on it, that when he gives approval, the
Governor of CBN can go on with the project, I would keep quiet and know that it
means the Senate or the National Assembly as an institution has no role to
play. And if they have no role to play, it means that the CBN can ram into the
throat of the masses whatever it wants. And the only way to ensure that such
does not happen will be to amend such law. The Senate has a duty in the
interest of the masses of this country because they represent us. If you have a
census today of people that want this new Naira note, you will discover that
majority of people do not want it, only few elite that is interested in the
N5000 note. And if truly we are running a democracy, if you believe that
people’s voices matter this government has a duty to stop the plans. What
nonsense should anybody be talking about, that since the President has okayed
it, no person can stop it. Is democracy run that way? Is the National Assembly
not representing the people? People have clearly said that they do not want
N5000 note; the matter should, therefore, be closed. We are waiting for the
National Assembly to resume and attend to the issue.
Looking
at the CBN generally, would you say it has done enough to stimulate the economy
and address key macroeconomic issues?
How do you stimulate economy when
some people are stealing N2.6trillion and nothing is being said by those who
should say something. N2.6trillion was stolen from national resources, this is
outside several other monies that are being looted. Everyday, it is this man
stole this and that and you ask yourself, what type of country is this where
all these things take place and those in authority do little or nothing? If you
are a PDP member and you read newspapers, you will be ashamed of yourself. That
is why I am quitting that party very soon. It is unwise to remain in a party
that is ruling the country, yet everyday it’s members are being fingered in one
scandal or the other. When it is not stealing, it is Boko Haram attacking and killing
people, yet a government that claims to have been elected by the people will
appear helpless. Sensible Nigerians should come together to salvage this
country. We just have to come together and salvage this country; there is no
other alternative. I am a patriotic Nigerian; I want the unity of the country.
All the nonsense that is taking place, especially the general insecurity, is
threatening the unity of this country.
You are a
top PDP member and you are openly indicting the party’s government of doing
little to address insecurity and corruption, have you ever raised these
concerns in the party’s meetings?
No, no, I am a PDP member but
since I didn’t return to the Senate nobody invites me again to a meeting, even
at local government level. They expect everybody to be sycophant; they expect
one to lobby them but I can’t do that. I will always tell the truth about what
is happening. I thank God that I am not a participant in this nonsense that is
going on. I am just getting ready, very soon, we will come out with the right
party which we will tell Nigerians to join to help salvage this country. The
country is really down; it has never been this bad. Good people must stand up
and salvage the nation.
Is it
feasible when the nation is polarized along tribal lines?
That is the more reason good and
sensible Nigerians must be mobilized to salvage this country. Yes, some people
see Nigeria from the perspective of North, South and East, but there are people
who see the country as one and the latter are the ones that must come together
to salvage the country. I am not a religious bigot, I’m interested in what will
keep the country one. There are a lot of people like me and we have been
talking to ourselves. We are going to form a big party that will wrest power
from PDP. It is a national duty which all of us must buy into. We are no longer
going to go by sentiments, any patriotic Nigerian must join hand to stop PDP,
it s a monster which we must get rid of. The party has destroyed a lot of
things including our psyche and national pride. Corruption has become the order
of the day; the economy has been destroyed by the party and it’s government. We
have no security; we have nothing.
You
categorized Boko Haram among the failings of PDP government, are you saying
that there is what the government should have done to stop the insurgent group
that it has not done?
Security is the responsibility of
government everywhere in the world. Rather than focus on how to address
insecurity in the country and the North in particular, government keeps coming
with one thing or the other to divert the attention of the public from the real
issue. Right now, it is the state police. Unfortunately, some people are
accepting that states should own their own police. In this country, we used to
have native police authorities but they were later merged with the national
police. That was done because they were being used to intimidate and harass
political opponents. Now we have more problems on our hands – corruption and
useless judiciary. The judicial system in the country is so corrupt. I have an
example to show. I entered into election, I went to a tribunal when the party
said the people contested this election were not sponsored by it. The
constitution of Nigeria is very clear that, to stand for an election, you need
to be certified by your party, you need to have a minimum of secondary school
education- whether you pass or not; that you need to be a member of a political
party and must be sponsored by that party. I am a civil engineer. I’m not a lawyer
but I understand the constitution. All of a sudden, the tribunal said yes,
since CPC candidates are not sponsored  by their party, they are not fit
for the election. The constitution said a party must sponsor a candidate for an
election. But when it got to Amina of the Court of Apeal, she led a team and
said no to what the tribunal said. She said this is a pre-election matter. And
that pre-election matter went to Supreme Court and the apex court said yes, you
cannot be a candidate, you cannot pursue an election unless you are sponsored
by a political party. So, the people who won the election, since they are not
being sponsored, the victory should go to another person. The court did not say
it should be given to those who did not participate in the election. But when
we came back from the court, Prof (Attahiru) Jega interpreted the judgment the
way he wants and gave it to people who did not even contest the election at
all. They are now the ones in the National Assembly.  Despite all that,
the struggle continues because we must repair this country for our children and
grandchildren.
Back to
the issue of insecurity. Are you saying that the claim by some people,
including individuals in strategic positions in government, that Boko Haram is
political is wrong?
Look, let me tell you, there are
three types of Boko Haram. This is my own view and reading of it. There is a
Boko Haram which feels offended in the way it’s leader was killed. There is
another set of Boko Haram that is sponsored by government. Government is
supposed to curtail some of these things and it is not doing it. One reason one
should believe that government has its own Boko Haram is that there was a bomb
blast at Eagles Square during a national event. They tried to blame it on some
northerners but fortunately, Henry Okah, who is somewhere in South Africa,
claimed responsibility for the blast. He said that he was instructed to do it
by Jonathan’s government.  Government has refused to bring the man to this
country and try him so that people will know whether he is saying the truth or
not. The third Boko Haram, to my mind, I’m not sure but I believe that some
disgruntled elements are also involved in the insecurity we are having. I do
not have my facts but I believe that is what is happening. They were not
original Boko Haram but somehow, but because their siblings were murdered, they
now felt that life is no longer worth living and decided to do some of these
things. I was told, in Maiduguri today, every five houses you count, three
occupants out of the five have fled the city. It is the same thing in Damaturu
and Yobe. So, in that kind of situation, some people decided to engage in
killings. There are criminal Boko Haram, for instance, in Kaduna somebody was
said to have been caught trying to plant a bomb and the person, from
investigation, happened to be a Christian. Boko Haram is supposed to be an
Islamist sect but a Christian was caught planting a bomb. So, you see that
criminals have been using the name of Boko Haram to engage in crimes.
Do you see
the peace committee set up by northern governors bringing an end to the
insurgency and insecurity in the region?
The whole thing is rubbish. It is
rubbish. The governors are not sincere. I really, really sympathise with some
people who are advocating state police. Look, if the governors take charge of
state police, there will not be any semblance of free and fair election again
in the country; there will be anarchy. Even right now that it is in the hands
of Federal Government, look at what is happening. The truth is that for us as a
country to address all these issues, all these problems, PDP government must be
changed. Another arty must produce the next government, if truly we want to fix
these problems that are holding the nation at her jugular.
You said
Jega took laws into his hand by interpreting Supreme Court judgment of Katsina
election disputes. Has that affected your rating of him? Do you still believe
he can deliver a free and fair election in 2015?
I must tell you that I am
disappointed in him. Jega should show that he is a reasonable person. He
cheated me, but I don’t look at things like this personally. I believe he has
no reason to take my mandate or the mandate of Katsina people and gave it to
those he likes; those who never participated in the election. It is a wrong
step.  He should have asked for the interpretation of the Supreme Court
judgment. But he didn’t do that, he handed it to people who did not participate
in the election. He did what he did out of arrogance. Jega has this problem of
‘I know it all’ and in the process, he has cheated some of us. Really, I am not
desperate to remain in the Senate, I have been elected senator four times. I am
very comfortable but I do all this in the interest of my people. The truth is
that, I am keen to see justice prevail. The judiciary should look at all that
transpired. I have written a petition to the Chief Justice, I have asked that
Justice Amina’s action should be looked at. The former Chief Justice looked at
the issue and queried Amina, whether she has responded to it I do not know. I
am still awaiting response from the judicial council. I want justice in this
case. On the issue of Jega, I think he has two problems which one of is
arrogance.
Some
northern leaders have been clamouring for a power shift to the region. Is that
part of the change you are advocating?
Power returning or not returning
to the North is not the issue. The issue is that a good Nigerian who has the
capacity should rule the country. I don’t care where the next President comes from,
but he must be capable and qualified for the office. We need somebody who knows
what to do or what is expected of him. We need somebody who has the gut, who
has the brilliance, who has foresight and who knows this country. Sincerely
speaking, do we have these qualities in the man who is ruling us today? The
answer is no. As I asked before, are we better off now than we were
one-and-half years ago? The security is in bad shape, no power, economic
situation is worsening and corruption is on the increase. Some people can steal
N2.6 trillion, yet nothing is happening to them. In any other country,
President Jonathan should have resigned.
What is
the other problem?
The other problem he has is that
sometimes he gets intimidated.
Intimidated
by whom?
By the political party and some
individuals in government. For instance, right now, look at the debate over
accounting officer. He wants to be the accounting officer but there are some
moles within the commission. The Attorney General has been intimidating him that
there must be an accounting officer in INEC. Is Attorney General the only one
who can interpret the law? He is interpreting the law in a way that will favour
PDP. He is saying Jega is not the accounting officer, that it is one
administrative secretary that will be appointed that will be the accounting
officer. The accounting officer is not being cleared by the senate, nobody
knows him but all the officials in INEC have been cleared by the senate. The
Attorney General is taking somebody that nobody cleared to be the accounting
officer. That is corruption. But Jega, instead of coming out to let Nigerians
know what is happening, is listening to the Attorney General. We are talking of
2015 and these are secret ways PDP wants to use to manipulate the process by intimidating
INEC officials.
CPC once
described Jega as a pretender. Do you feel such description fits the INEC
chairman?
To some extent I will agree with
CPC on account of what he did to me. I have told the story. The man has done
some terrible things to me. If CPC calls him a pretender, it has its reasons
for saying so, and based on my experience, I will agree with them.
What is
your view on the President’s recent lamentation that he has become the most
criticized President?
The man is a total failure; nobody
is crucifying him unjustly. I knew early enough that the man is not good enough
to govern the country and that is why I did not support him during the
election. I am in the PDP but I refused to support him. Like the question those
involved in the American election are asking, are you better off now than
one-and-half years ago in terms of security, income, stability, power supply?
If you are not, it means he is a failure. Nobody is accusing him wrongly. He
promised before that within so, so period of time we will get to 10000 mega
watts, but today, we are still at 4000 mega watts. We have spent trillions of
Naira to get to that 4000. Let me tell you, ordinarily every one billion
dollars should generate 1000 mega watts. But the only thing the President has
done is to kick out the man in charge of power. That is the only thing he has
given us. Nobody is telling us the truth why he removed him.

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